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There is a difference between evaluating future actions vs past actions. Obviously it's hard to know what the consequences of any action is but it's reasonable to draw a limit at some point given counterfactuals will dominate the long term. Clearly by a consequentialist standard looking at SBF's past actions they are not justified and Matt Yglesias made a good point that even in the future the calculations are bad (ignoring the fraud part) https://www.slowboring.com/p/some-thoughts-on-the-ftx-implosion.

"But when you push this up into the range of billions of dollars and are talking about grant-making and political influence, it doesn’t make sense. The whole calculus is based on the idea that the volume of need is so large that when it comes to helping the global poor, you don’t face diminishing marginal returns in the relevant financial range. But there clearly are diminishing returns in grant-making, community-building, and political advocacy. And the instability itself becomes costly. People don’t want to join projects that are likely to vanish without warning, and the vanishing itself leaves resources stranded and wasted. I was confused when SBF explained this to me and kind of thought it was an end-of-the-bar bluster despite the lack of alcohol, but it was the actual official doctrine."

As an also EA adjacent but not EA person I hope that this incident causes some reflection on utility calculation and earning to give.

Finally I don't know why Philosophers don't generally answer that the correct moral ethics is a combination of different ethics systems. My view is that an action should be measured by approximately the floor of intentions and consequences (my actual view is a more complicated calculation to handle good intentions with bad consequences being better than bad intentions with bad consequences but its close enough).

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